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= '''OCARC Technical Documentation''' =
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Welcome to the [http://www.ocarc.ca '''Orchard City Amateur Radio Club''']'s technical documentation archive.  Here you will find details about various technical projects that the club is working on, as well as an archive of documentation for club-owned equipment.
= '''OCARC Documentation''' =
Welcome to the [http://www.ocarc.ca '''Orchard City Amateur Radio Club''']'s documentation system.  Here you will find details about various projects that the club is working on, as well as an archive of documentation for club-owned equipment.


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== Club Sites ==
== Sites ==
* [[Site/Cedar Creek|Cedar Creek]] (Club Station)
* [[Site/Cedar Creek|Cedar Creek]] (Club Station)
* [[Site/Ellison|Ellison]] (Club Station)
* [[Site/Ellison|Ellison]] (Club Station)
* [[Site/Kuipers Peek|Kuipers Peek]]
* [[Site/Kuipers Peak|Kuipers Peak]]
* [[Site/Landmark 2|Landmark 2]]
* [[Site/Little White Mountain|Little White Mtn]]
* [[Site/Dilworth|Dilworth]]
* [[Site/Black_Knight_Mountain|Black Knight Mtn]]
* [[Site/Blue_Grouse_Mountain|Blue Grouse Mtn]]
* [[Site/Turtle_Mountain|Turtle Mtn]]
* [[Site/Okanagan_Mountain|Okanagan Mtn]]
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== Projects ==
== Projects ==
* [[IGate]] using a Raspberry Pi
* [[IGate]] using a Raspberry Pi
* [[BC Interior HamWAN]]
* [[BC Interior HamWAN]]
* [[5cm Data]] network using COTS operating in the 5.83GHz to 5.92GHz Band
* [[Kuipers Peak]] New Kelowna Repeater Project
* [[Kuipers Peak]] New Kelowna Repeater Project
* [[Okanagan Mountain]] Repeater Project
* [[Okanagan Mountain]] Repeater Project
* [[Broadcastify Streaming]] Live audio of local repeaters
* [[Broadcastify Streaming]] Live audio of local repeaters
* [[OCARC Website]]
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== Club Resources ==
== Club Resources ==
* [[Meeting_Minutes|Meeting Minutes]]
* [[Standard_Operating_Procedures|Standard Operating Procedures]]
* [[OCARC_Bylaws|OCARC Bylaws]]
* [[OCARC_Constitution|OCARC Constitution]]
* [[Directors_List|Directors List]]
* [[Club Email System|Club Email System]]
* [[Google Workspace]]
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== '''Installations''' ==
== '''Installations''' ==
=== '''Repeaters''' ===
=== '''Repeaters''' ===
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* [[VE7RBJ]] Okanagan Mountain
* [[VE7RBJ]] Okanagan Mountain


=== IRLP ===
===IRLP===
* [[BGWHTE#IRLP|BGWHTE]] Big White Mountain IRLP
 
* Orchard Repeater Location - off air- requires repair.


=== APRS ===
=== APRS ===
* [[BGWHTE]] Big White Mountain digipeater
* [[BGWHTE]] Big White Mountain digipeater
* [[RODDHU]] Roderick Dhu Mountain digipeater
* [[RODDHU]] Roderick Dhu Mountain digipeater (removed)
* [[VA7DIG-1]] Kelowna Landmark iGate
* [[VA7DIG-1]] Kelowna Landmark iGate
* [[VA7OGO-1]] Revelstoke West digipeater
* [[VA7OGO-1]] Revelstoke West digipeater
* [[VA7OGO-2]] Revelstoke East digipeater
* [[VA7OGO-2]] Revelstoke East digipeater (not yet installed)
* [[VA7OGO-3]] Golden North digipeater (not yet installed)
* [[VA7OGO-3]] Golden North digipeater (not yet installed)
* [[VA7OGO-4]] Golden Kicking Horse Mountain digipeater (not yet installed)
* [[VA7OGO-4]] Golden Kicking Horse Mountain iGate
* [[VA7OGO-13]] Golden digipeater (not yet installed)
* [[VA7OGO-5]] Field Kicking Horse Pass (not yet installed)
* [[VA7OGO-13]] Golden City iGate
* [[VA7OGO-14]] Blue Grouse iGate
* [[VA7OGO-14]] Blue Grouse iGate
* [[VA7OGO-15]] Revelstoke iGate (not yet installed)
* [[VA7OGO-15]] Revelstoke iGate (not yet installed)
* [[VA7YLW-1]] Black Knight Mountain digipeater
* [[VA7YLW-1]] Black Knight Mountain digipeater
* [[VE7OGO-1]] Cedar Creek iGate
* [[VE7OGO-1]] Kelowna Cedar Creek iGate
* [[VE7ROC]] Little White Mountain digipeater
* [[VE7ROC]] Little White Mountain digipeater
=== Packet Radio (1200 baud AX.25) and Winlink Global Email ===
* [[VE7ROW]]  Kelowna Cedar Creek  144.930
  A BPQ NET/ROM Compatible Node provides a number of services under different SSIDs
    VE7ROW-0  Packet BBS Messaging (alias KELBBS)
    VE7ROW-6  passthrough to AE5E DX Cluster (alias KELDXC)
    VE7ROW-7  Multiport Network Node (alias KELWNA)
                Port 1: Kelowna Local Users on 144.930
                Port 2: Internet Gateway (tunnel to other Nodes in Vancouver, Castlegar, Ontario, Minnesota)
                Port 3: Link to Vernon TPARC Node VE7TPO-8 on 144.450 (see also http://www.tparc.org) (path sometimes degraded due to multipath)
    VE7RBJ-10 Winlink Remote Mail Server (alias KELRMS)
    VE7ROW-11 passthrough to AE5E Chat Server (alias KELCHT)
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* [[VE7RBJ]]  Little White Mountain  144.930 (path to VE7ROW node sometimes degraded due to multipath)
  Kantronics Digipeater and Node
    VE7RBJ-2  Digipeater
    VE7RBJ-7  KA Node


=== TCP/IP ===
=== TCP/IP ===
* [[Club Network]]
* [[Club Network]]
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== Club Repeaters ==


== '''Club Stations''' ==
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=== Cedar Creek ===
This list is no longer up to date. It is kept here to archive information on former and current repeaters.
*[[WS3]]
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*[[The Octopus]]
For current repeater information see the main webpage.
*[[Remote Base]]
*[[Cedar Creek Antennas]]


=== Ellison ===
http://www.ocarc.ca/frequencies/region
*[[Ellison Antennas]]




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==‎Club member operated Repeater information==
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== Neighbouring Repeater information ==
This list is primarily a work in progress to track repeaters which have not yet been confirmed as still active, or repeaters with uncertain information on location or tone.
Most repeaters previously on this list have been moved to the main repeater list on the OCARC website. http://ocarc.ca/frequencies/region/
=== Non-verified Repeaters (Okanagan Valley) ===
These repeaters either have coverage in parts of the Okanagan Valley, or coverage in areas no more than an hours drive away.
Repeaters previously on this list have been moved to the main repeater list on the OCARC website.
Only repeaters with uncertain information or status are shown here.
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! Call Sign !! Description !! Band !! Frequency ||  Offset || Tone Access || Mode || Status || Elevation || Mobile Coverage || Sponsor or Info Source || Notes || Last Update || On WebPage
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7OSY]] | Osoyoos            | 2m  | 145.270 | -0.600 | 107.2 | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}} | ???m  | Osoyoos | | Not heard while in area on 20200823. Still has BCARCC coord. }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7AZG]] | Revelstoke City    | 2m  | 146.720 | -0.600 | 88.5  | FM | {{RptrStatus|On}}          | 490m  | Revelstoke | VA7AZG | Only intermittently on. Has noise problem. | 20201008 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7STA]] | Osoyoos            | 2m  | 146.940 | -0.600 |      | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}} | ???m  |  Osoyoos | | Not heard while in area on 20200823. Still has BCARCC coord.  }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7KEG]] | Kamloops          | 2m  | 147.180 | +0.600 |      | FM | {{RptrStatus|Decommissioned}} | 745m  | Kamloops | KARC | 2m Repeater Decommissioned. C4FM UHF now on site }}
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=== Non-verified Repeaters (Outside the Okanagan Valley) ===
Many repeaters previously on this list have been moved to the main repeater list on the OCARC website. Only repeaters with uncertain information or status are shown here.
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! Call Sign !! Description !! Band !! Frequency ||  Offset || Tone Access || Mode || Status || Elevation || Mobile Coverage || Sponsor or Info Source || Notes || Last Update || on WebPage
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7???]] | Barriere      | 2m  | 147.380 | +0.600 |      | FM | {{RptrStatus|On}}              | ???m  | (North and South of Barriere) | WGARC | Testing in Clearwater at VE7EIN | 20200801 | }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7KNP]] | Cranbrook | 2m | 146.700 | -0.600 | 131.8 | FM | {{RptrStatus|Off}}  | 1010m  | Cranbrook and Kimberley | Wild Rose Network | Heard this ID in Cranbrook area 2021-07-06, so no longer in Kootenay Nat. Park. New location unknown. Pr 2023 visit, no longer on air}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7WHR]] | Whistler          | 2m  | 147.060 | +0.600 | 100.0 | FM/C4FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}} | ???m | Whistler | }}
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=== IRLP Simplex Nodes ===
This is a limited list of simplex IRLP nodes in the Interior of British Columbia. This list is currently out of date.
For a complete list of active IRLP nodes in Canada, both on simplex and on repeaters, see: http://status.irlp.net/?PSTART=5&country=1
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! Call Sign !! Description !! Band !! Frequency ||  Offset || Tone Access || Mode || Status || Elevation || Mobile Coverage || Sponsor or Info Source || Notes || Last Update || On WebPage
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7RBH]] | Smithers IRLP        | 2m  | 147.330 |  0.000 | 100.0 | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}}  | 500m  | Smithers/Telkwa  | BVARS  | IRLP 1126 (prefix IRLP code with 0) | | }}
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{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7FFU]] | Terrace IRLP        | 2m  | 147.330 |  0.000 | 100.0 | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}}  | 125m  | Terrace          | BVARS  | IRLP 1560 | | }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7SNO]] | Kitimat IRLP        | 2m  | 146.580 |  0.000 |      | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}}  | 90m  | Kitimat          | VA7TF  | IRLP 1303 | | }}
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{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7JER]] | Genelle IRLP        | 2m  | 147.440 |  0.000 |      | FM | {{RptrStatus|On}}          | 475m  | Castlegar/Trail  | VE7JER | IRLP 1144 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7KNL]] | Salmo IRLP          | 2m  | 147.550 |  0.000 | 100.0 | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}}  | 685m  | Salmo            | VE7KNL | IRLP 1634 }}
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{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7AT]]  | Princeton IRLP      | 70cm | 446.875 |  0.000 | 100.0 | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}}  | 640m  | Princeton        | VE7AT  | IRLP 1864 | }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7WYO]] | Creston  IRLP      | 2m  | 147.570 |  0.000 |      | FM | {{RptrStatus|Unconfirmed}}  | 760m  | Creston          | VE7WYO | IRLP 1418 | }}
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{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7PGK]] | Prince George IRLP  | 2m  | 145.600 |  0.000 |      | FM | {{RptrStatus|On}}          | 760m  | Prince George    | VE7PGK | IRLP 1488 | }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VA7IP]]  | Birken IRLP          | 2m  | 147.000 |  0.000 | 100.0 | FM | {{RptrStatus|On}}          | 490m  | Birken local area | VE7LTD | IRLP 1011 }}
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{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7PW]]  | Williams Lake IRLP  | 2m  | 146.700 | -0.600 | 162.2 | FM | {{RptrStatus|On}}          | 645m  | Williams Lake    | CCARS  | IRLP 1916 | | }}
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{{Repeater_Row_Online| [[VE7WCC]] | New Westminster IRLP | 2m  | 145.150 | -0.600 | 123.0 | FM | {{RptrStatus|On}}          |  70m  | New Westminster  | VE7WCC | IRLP 1507 | | }}
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All of these IRLP nodes showed as active on status.irlp.net on Oct 24, 2024.
=== Ten Meter Repeaters  ===
Repeaters can be found at the top end of the 10m band, using FM with a 100 kHz offset.
A few of the possible repeaters which might be heard if propagation allows are listed below.
Many others may be heard depending upon where propagation on the band favors.
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! Call Sign !! Description !! Band !! Frequency || Tone Access || Mode || Notes || Reference/Source/Date || Heard || CQ Zone
{{Repeater_Row_Online|        | Simplex                  | 10m  | 29.600 |      | FM  | Simplex (no offset)| }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online|        | Crossband Links (to V/UHF)| 10m  | 29.600 |      | FM  | Simplex (no offset)| }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online|        | 10m Repeaters    | 10m    | 29.620-29.680 | often required | FM  | Repeaters (20 kHz spacing)(-100 kHz offset) | }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| KQ2H  | Catskill Mtns, NY        | 10m  | 29.620 | 146.2 | FM  | Distinctive "door bell" courtesy tone | 2020  | 20230108 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| N1BS  | North Providence, RI      | 10m  | 29.640 |  67.0 | FM  | | 2020? | | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| VE3MMX | Shedden (near London), ON | 10m  | 29.640 | none  | FM  | | 2022  | 20230108 | 4}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| N2ACF  | Nyack (near New York), NY | 10m  | 29.640 |      | FM  | | 2022  | 20220304 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| KB3AWQ | Williamsport, PA          | 10m  | 29.660 | 173.8 | FM  | | 2022  | 20230108 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| WB2HWW | New York, NY              | 10m  | 29.660 | 114.8 | FM  | | 2022  | 20220304 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| KE4QOX | Summerville, WV          | 10m  | 29.660 |  88.5 | FM  | | 2022  | 20230108 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| WM1P  | Dover, NH                | 10m  | 29.660 | 131.8 | FM  | | 2020? | | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| W5DFW  | Dallas, TX                | 10m  | 29.660 | 192.8 | FM  | | 2017  | 20230108 | 4}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| K1FB  | Nashville, TN            | 10m  | 29.660 |  67.0 | FM  | |      | 20230108 | 4}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| WA4PXV | Sparta, NC                | 10m  | 29.670 | 151.4 | FM  | | 2022  | 20220304 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| W1MRA  | Marlborough, MA          | 10m  | 29.680 | 131.8 | FM  | | 2020? | | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| WB2JQK | (near Buffalo), NY        | 10m  | 29.680 | 107.2 | FM  | |      | 20230108 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| KE4QOX | Beckley, WV              | 10m  | 29.680 |  88.5 | FM  | | 2022  | 20230108 | 5}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| ---  | ---                        | 10m  | ---    | ---  | FM  | | }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| KP4IA | San Juan, Puerto Rico      | 10m  | 29.620 |      | FM  | | 2021  | | 8}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| N6JSL | Sacremento, CA            | 10m  | 29.620 | 156.7 | FM  | | 2021  | | 3}}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| NI8H  | Los Angeles, CA            | 10m  | 29.620 | 107.2 | FM  | | 2016  | | 3 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| W6KRW | Santiago Peak, CA          | 10m  | 29.640 | 107.2 | FM  | | 2016  | | 3 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| K6TY  | Arcadia, CA                | 10m  | 29.660 | 107.2 | FM  | | 2016  | | 3 }}
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For more information on specific repeaters and their locations: https://blog.w4bug.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/usa-10m.pdf
or: https://www.qsl.net/kc4qlp/10meterrepeater.html
or: http://nflarc.org/10M%20Repeaters.htm
or: https://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php?topic=63374.0
or: https://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/north-america-10-meter-repeater-list.124173/
or: http://www.scrrba.org/BandPlans/Open10mRepeaters.html
or: https://www.m0kwr.com/Downloads/Frequencies-beacons/10m%20Repeaters%20World%20Wide.pdf
Most of these sites do not indicate how old the information they contain is.
For a historical view (1994) of worldwide activity see: http://www.redwaveradio.com/7_efea669593afab61_1.htm
Some of these repeaters may still be active.
=== Other Nets heard in the Okanagan Valley ===
This is a selected list of nets audible in the Okanagan Valley area. This is a rough worklist of nets which are not currently (and may never be) listed on the main club webpage. Some may only be heard seasonally due to propagation changes through the year. Times may differ up to one hour earlier or later depending upon seasonal variations.
All local days and times are for the Pacific Time Zone. Information marked with a "?" has not been fully validated.
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{{Repeater_Row_Online| Alaska Morning Net        | VHF  | (IRLP 9109 or Echolink *ALASKA*)  | AM 10:00 | Daily    || 1300 ET✓ | 20230402 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| -----------------------  | ----- |                              |          |          ||                  |  }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| California Rescue Communications Net          | HF    | 7.250 LSB  | AM 08:30  | Mon-Fri  | Emergency preparedness net by WB7NOA        | keeps local time✓ | 20230403 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Net        | HF    | 14.325 LSB | AM 08:30  | Mo/We/Fr  | https://s3.amazonaws.com/usc-cache.salvationarmy.org/5a1860c9-f741-45bb-92c4-7618668e56b3_HF-radio-nets-info.pdf      https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/usc/satern-program/ | keeps local time✓ | 20230403 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| The Wrong Button Club (BC)                    | HF    | 3.744 LSB  | AM 09:00  | Daily    | Social net with Gerry VE7BGP as net control | keeps local time✓ | 20230403 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| High Noon Net (Colorado)                      | HF    | 7.240 LSB  | AM 11:00  | Daily    | Roll call by roster http://www.nmia.com/~bsavage/hnn/hnn.html | 1200 MT✓ | 20230402 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Beehive Utah Net                              | HF    | 7.272 LSB  | AM 11:30  | Daily    | Roll call by roster https://beehiveutahnet.com/ | 1230 MT✓ | 20230402 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Jefferson Noon Net (Western US)                | HF    | 7.204 LSB  | Noon 12:00 | Daily    | Early checkins from 11:30. Roll call at Noon, followed by roundtable (alt freq 7.214 if qrm) | keeps local time✓ | 20230402 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Daytime Region 7 Traffic Net (DRN7)            | HF    | 3.925 LSB  | PM 03:00  | Daily    | Early checkins until 03:15. Preamble at 03:15. Alternate 7.235. https://drn7.net/| keeps local time✓ | 20221108 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Moonlighters "Rag Chew" Net                    | HF    | 7.279 LSB  | PM 04:00  | Mon-Sat  | Social net http://moonlightersnet.com/ | 1800 CT✓ | 20230401 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Dipsea Net (Oregon)                            | HF    | 3.940 LSB  | PM 05:00  | Mon-Sat  | Social net https://www.dipseanet.com There is also a morning net at 8 AM PT| 0000 UTC✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Beaver State Net (Oregon)                      | HF    | 3.920 LSB  | PM 05:30  | Daily    | Roll call by Oregon county http://k6ugs.com/BSN.htm | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Washington Amateur Radio Traffic System Net    | HF    | 3.975 LSB  | PM 05:30  | Daily    | Roll call by city for roster members http://www.wartsnet.net/ | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Wyoming Cowboy Net                            | HF    | 3.9235 LSB | PM 05:45  | Mon-Fri  | Roll call by city for roster members https://wyomingcowboynet.com/ | 1845 MT✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Oregon Emergency Net                          | HF    | 3.980 LSB  | PM 06:00  | Daily    | Early checkins prior to preamble. Preamble at 6:30, then roll call by city. | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Tailgaters Net                                | HF    | 3.916 LSB  | PM 06:30  | Sun-Fri  | Social net (with trivia at 7 PM) http://www.tailgatersnet.com/the-tailgaters-net.html | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| FARM (Friendly Amateur Radio Mission Net) (Idaho and surrounding states) | HF    | 3.937 LSB  | PM 07:00 | Daily    | Roll call by member callsign and city, ordered by roster number. see: http://www.farmnet3937kc.net/ | 0200 UTC✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Golden Bear Net (California)                  | HF    | 3.975 LSB  | PM 07:00  | Daily    | Roll call followed by visitors http://goldenbearnet.org/ | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Northwest Country Cousins Net                  | HF    | 3.968 LSB  | PM 07:00  | Daily    | Social net  http://www.nw7cc.info | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Western Public Service System (California)    | HF    | 3.952 LSB  | PM 07:30  | Daily    | Early checkins from 6:00 PM. Roll call at 07:30 PM  https://3952khz.net/ | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Freewheelers Net                              | HF    | 3.916 LSB  | PM 08:00  | Sun-Fri  | Social net http://www.tailgatersnet.com/the-freewheelers-net.html | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| Western Country Cousins Net                    | HF    | 3.970 LSB  | PM 09:00  | Daily    | Social net  https://w6ccn.us | keeps local time✓ | 20230331 }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| -----------------------  | ----- |                              |          |          ||                  |  }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| OMISS Net (OM International Sideband Society) | HF    | Various | Various | Daily | WAS (Worked All States) and other awards net. See https://www.omiss.net/ for times and frequencies (1930,3825,7185,14290,18158,21395,24980,28665, all are +/- 7 kHz)| ---- | ---- }}
{{Repeater_Row_Online| 3905 Century Club Net                        | HF    | Various | Various | Daily | WAS (Worked All States) and other awards net. See https://www.3905ccn.org/ for times and frequencies (1950,3902,7198,7267.5,14325)| ---- | ---- }}
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== Site and System Block Diagrams ==


* '''[[VE7KTV Repeater System Block Diagram]]'''
* '''[[VE7KTV Repeater System Block Diagram]]'''
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* [[VE7VTV]] Vernon ATV    1.289 GHz FM ATV TX  / 1.246 GHz RX & 439.25 MHz (VE7KTV-Kelowna) RX              Sponsor VA7VW
* [[VE7VTV]] Vernon ATV    1.289 GHz FM ATV TX  / 1.246 GHz RX & 439.25 MHz (VE7KTV-Kelowna) RX              Sponsor VA7VW


== ''' Packet Radio and Winlink information''' ==
[https://nts-digital.net/mw/index.php/BPQ32_Hub_Operators Useful configuration documentation for the BPQ32 BBS ]
[http://winlink.org/HELP/ Problems sending email to a winlink address? How to Send Email to a Winlink Address ]
[http://nts-digital.net/mw/index.php/Main_Page Digital Traffic Network (DTN) Pages ]
[http://winlink.org/RMSChannels/ Winlink Live System Information and Maps ]
[http://nodemap.g8bpq.net:81/ BPQ Live Network Map ]
[http://www.cantab.net/users/john.wiseman/Documents/ BPQ32 Documentations and Software by G8BPQ ]
[http://winlink.org/ Winlink Documentation and Software]
[http://packet-radio.net/ Packet-Radio.net Resource Page ]


== '''Amateur Satellite and Space Communications''' ==
== '''Amateur Satellite and Space Communications''' ==
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[https://www.ecosat.ca/ ECOsat Canadian Amateur Satellite]
[https://www.ecosat.ca/ ECOsat Canadian Amateur Satellite]




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[http://ka7fvv.net/satellite.htm KA7FVV Satelite Page]
[http://ka7fvv.net/satellite.htm KA7FVV Satelite Page]




[http://www.n2yo.com/?s=28375 Real time Satelite Tracking]
[http://www.n2yo.com/?s=28375 Real time Satelite Tracking]




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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bKIk-DLT_M Ham Radio contact with ISS]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bKIk-DLT_M Ham Radio contact with ISS]




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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4RfA5ytYxQ FM vs C4FM marginal path]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4RfA5ytYxQ FM vs C4FM marginal path]


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yUS4-d3FmA Radiodiddy GD-77 Dual Band DMR Radio]


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZawJek5z9c  How DMR works]


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt5WRNXbdDI  Android DMR Smart Phone Outphone Rangerphone S15]


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR-Xfw4gzdo RangeFinder M1]


 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th82qpbJxKM Sure DMR Smart Phone S8]
 
 




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[http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ University of Twente - The Netherlands]
[http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ University of Twente - The Netherlands]
[http://rx.linkfanel.net/ Live Map of SDR Receivers]




== '''HF Radio Propagation''' ==


[https://www.solarham.net/  SolarHam - Radio propagation forecasts and solar activity reports]




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[http://www.bcarcc.org/ BC Frequency Coordination Council]
[http://www.bcarcc.org/ BC Frequency Coordination Council]


[http://sarl.ca/departments/ Saskatchewan Amateur Radio League (Repeaters and Nets)]
[http://ve1cra.net/main/rpt-lists.htm Maritimes (MARCAN) Frequency Coordination ]
[http://wnysorc.net/ Western New York Southern Ontario Repeater Council (covers SW Ontario) ]
[http://www.slvrc.org/ Saint Lawrence Valley Repeater Council (covers East and North Ontario) ]
[http://www.wwara.org/ Western Washington Amateur Relay Association]
[http://www.iacc.online/ Inland Amateur Coordination Council (Eastern Washington)]


== '''Interesting Amateur Radio Links:''' ==
== '''Interesting Amateur Radio Links:''' ==
=== ''International Space Station'' ===


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BVR3IjDRhc  How you can Talk to a Astronaut from Home - All about Ham Radio]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BVR3IjDRhc  How you can Talk to a Astronaut from Home - All about Ham Radio]
=== ''People you may have heard of'' ===


[http://www.qsl.net/w5www/famous.html/. Famous Ham's]
[http://www.qsl.net/w5www/famous.html/. Famous Ham's]
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[http://www.dx-qsl.com/famous-ham-radio-operators.html More Famous Ham's]
[http://www.dx-qsl.com/famous-ham-radio-operators.html More Famous Ham's]


[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiObPXT-jXU Sam from Space]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpCUqlChnk4 Sam from Space]
 
 
=== ''The Story of Sergei Krikalev U5MIR'' ===
 
[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6131208/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Sergio And Sergei -  a 2017 fictional movie based on actual events (IMDB summary)]
In 1991, the USSR is falling apart and Cuba enters its hardest economic crisis. Sergio, a professor of Marxism who can't provide for his family, and Sergei, a Soviet cosmonaut stranded in the Mir space station, share a common passion: amateur radio. Through this hobby, both men will be able to help each other in facing the dramatic changes of their countries.
 
Although the movie is fictional, it is based on a real story, where the real Sergei Krikalev depended upon Margaret Iaquinto, in Ballat, Victoria, Australia for over a year to get timely updates from home during the collapse of the Soviet Union.
 
[http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/archived/verbatim/cosmic-conversations/3585990 Margaret Iaquinto VK3CFI, Musa Manarov U2MIR and Sergei Krikalev U5MIR - the real story (Verbatim on ABC Radio Australia)]
 
[http://www.paperradio.net/am/the-cosmic-frequency Another interview with VK3CFI on the same topic (Cosmic Frequency on Paper Radio)]
 
[http://wikibin.org/articles/margaret-iaquinto-4.html Margaret Iaquinto VK3CFI Biography ]
 
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Krikalev Sergei Krikalev U5MIR Birography ]
 
 
== ''Province Wide linked repeater systems in Canada'' ==
 
New Brunswick
[https://ve9irg.net/index.php/network International Repeater Group]
 
Nova Scotia and PEI
[http://pcarc.ca/repeaters/mavcom-link-system Maritime Amateur Voice Communications System (MAVCOM)]
 
== ''Provincial Repeater Maps and Directories'' ==
 
Maritime Provinces
[http://ve1cra.net/rptrmap Repeater Map]
 
Newfoundland and Labrador
[http://nlhamradio.com/rptdirectory.html Repeater Directory ]
 
 
 
== '''Amateur Radio and Public Service''' ==
 
A few miscellaneous links of interest.
 
Mid Island Radio Association (Vancouver Island) - Introduction to Emergency Communications
 
http://midislandamateurradioassociation.ca/emergency-communication/
 
ARRL (US) - Amateur Radio Emergency Communications First Level Training (US focus)
 
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Instructor%20resources/EmComm/Emcomm%20I%20-%20%20rev%203%201.pdf
 
 
== '''Documents for Club Resources:''' ==
 
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Latest revision as of 06:00, 25 October 2024

OCARC Documentation

Welcome to the Orchard City Amateur Radio Club's documentation system. Here you will find details about various projects that the club is working on, as well as an archive of documentation for club-owned equipment.

Sites

Projects

Club Resources

Installations

Repeaters

IRLP

  • Orchard Repeater Location - off air- requires repair.

APRS

  • BGWHTE Big White Mountain digipeater
  • RODDHU Roderick Dhu Mountain digipeater (removed)
  • VA7DIG-1 Kelowna Landmark iGate
  • VA7OGO-1 Revelstoke West digipeater
  • VA7OGO-2 Revelstoke East digipeater (not yet installed)
  • VA7OGO-3 Golden North digipeater (not yet installed)
  • VA7OGO-4 Golden Kicking Horse Mountain iGate
  • VA7OGO-5 Field Kicking Horse Pass (not yet installed)
  • VA7OGO-13 Golden City iGate
  • VA7OGO-14 Blue Grouse iGate
  • VA7OGO-15 Revelstoke iGate (not yet installed)
  • VA7YLW-1 Black Knight Mountain digipeater
  • VE7OGO-1 Kelowna Cedar Creek iGate
  • VE7ROC Little White Mountain digipeater

Packet Radio (1200 baud AX.25) and Winlink Global Email

  • VE7ROW Kelowna Cedar Creek 144.930
 A BPQ NET/ROM Compatible Node provides a number of services under different SSIDs
   VE7ROW-0  Packet BBS Messaging (alias KELBBS)
   VE7ROW-6  passthrough to AE5E DX Cluster (alias KELDXC)
   VE7ROW-7  Multiport Network Node (alias KELWNA)
               Port 1: Kelowna Local Users on 144.930
               Port 2: Internet Gateway (tunnel to other Nodes in Vancouver, Castlegar, Ontario, Minnesota)
               Port 3: Link to Vernon TPARC Node VE7TPO-8 on 144.450 (see also http://www.tparc.org) (path sometimes degraded due to multipath)
   VE7RBJ-10 Winlink Remote Mail Server (alias KELRMS)
   VE7ROW-11 passthrough to AE5E Chat Server (alias KELCHT)


Club Repeaters

For current repeater information see the main webpage.

http://www.ocarc.ca/frequencies/region


‎Club member operated Repeater information

For current repeater information see the main webpage.

http://www.ocarc.ca/frequencies/region



IRLP Simplex Nodes

This is a limited list of simplex IRLP nodes in the Interior of British Columbia. This list is currently out of date. For a complete list of active IRLP nodes in Canada, both on simplex and on repeaters, see: http://status.irlp.net/?PSTART=5&country=1

Call Sign Description Band Frequency Offset Tone Access Mode Status Elevation Mobile Coverage Sponsor or Info Source Notes Last Update On WebPage
VE7RBH Smithers IRLP 2m 147.330 0.000 100.0 FM Pending Unconfirmed 500m Smithers/Telkwa BVARS IRLP 1126 (prefix IRLP code with 0)
VE7JER Genelle IRLP 2m 147.440 0.000 FM Online On 475m Castlegar/Trail VE7JER IRLP 1144
VE7KNL Salmo IRLP 2m 147.550 0.000 100.0 FM Pending Unconfirmed 685m Salmo VE7KNL IRLP 1634
VE7PGK Prince George IRLP 2m 145.600 0.000 FM Online On 760m Prince George VE7PGK IRLP 1488
VA7IP Birken IRLP 2m 147.000 0.000 100.0 FM Online On 490m Birken local area VE7LTD IRLP 1011
VE7WCC New Westminster IRLP 2m 145.150 -0.600 123.0 FM Online On 70m New Westminster VE7WCC IRLP 1507

All of these IRLP nodes showed as active on status.irlp.net on Oct 24, 2024.

Ten Meter Repeaters

Repeaters can be found at the top end of the 10m band, using FM with a 100 kHz offset.

A few of the possible repeaters which might be heard if propagation allows are listed below.

Many others may be heard depending upon where propagation on the band favors.


Call Sign Description Band Frequency Tone Access Mode Notes Reference/Source/Date Heard CQ Zone
Simplex 10m 29.600 FM Simplex (no offset)
Crossband Links (to V/UHF) 10m 29.600 FM Simplex (no offset)
10m Repeaters 10m 29.620-29.680 often required FM Repeaters (20 kHz spacing)(-100 kHz offset)
KQ2H Catskill Mtns, NY 10m 29.620 146.2 FM Distinctive "door bell" courtesy tone 2020 20230108 5
N1BS North Providence, RI 10m 29.640 67.0 FM 2020? 5
VE3MMX Shedden (near London), ON 10m 29.640 none FM 2022 20230108 4
N2ACF Nyack (near New York), NY 10m 29.640 FM 2022 20220304 5
KB3AWQ Williamsport, PA 10m 29.660 173.8 FM 2022 20230108 5
WB2HWW New York, NY 10m 29.660 114.8 FM 2022 20220304 5
KE4QOX Summerville, WV 10m 29.660 88.5 FM 2022 20230108 5
WM1P Dover, NH 10m 29.660 131.8 FM 2020? 5
W5DFW Dallas, TX 10m 29.660 192.8 FM 2017 20230108 4
K1FB Nashville, TN 10m 29.660 67.0 FM 20230108 4
WA4PXV Sparta, NC 10m 29.670 151.4 FM 2022 20220304 5
W1MRA Marlborough, MA 10m 29.680 131.8 FM 2020? 5
WB2JQK (near Buffalo), NY 10m 29.680 107.2 FM 20230108 5
KE4QOX Beckley, WV 10m 29.680 88.5 FM 2022 20230108 5
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KP4IA San Juan, Puerto Rico 10m 29.620 FM 2021 8
N6JSL Sacremento, CA 10m 29.620 156.7 FM 2021 3
NI8H Los Angeles, CA 10m 29.620 107.2 FM 2016 3
W6KRW Santiago Peak, CA 10m 29.640 107.2 FM 2016 3
K6TY Arcadia, CA 10m 29.660 107.2 FM 2016 3


For more information on specific repeaters and their locations: https://blog.w4bug.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/usa-10m.pdf or: https://www.qsl.net/kc4qlp/10meterrepeater.html or: http://nflarc.org/10M%20Repeaters.htm or: https://www.hfunderground.com/board/index.php?topic=63374.0 or: https://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/north-america-10-meter-repeater-list.124173/ or: http://www.scrrba.org/BandPlans/Open10mRepeaters.html or: https://www.m0kwr.com/Downloads/Frequencies-beacons/10m%20Repeaters%20World%20Wide.pdf

Most of these sites do not indicate how old the information they contain is.

For a historical view (1994) of worldwide activity see: http://www.redwaveradio.com/7_efea669593afab61_1.htm Some of these repeaters may still be active.

Other Nets heard in the Okanagan Valley

This is a selected list of nets audible in the Okanagan Valley area. This is a rough worklist of nets which are not currently (and may never be) listed on the main club webpage. Some may only be heard seasonally due to propagation changes through the year. Times may differ up to one hour earlier or later depending upon seasonal variations.

All local days and times are for the Pacific Time Zone. Information marked with a "?" has not been fully validated.

Description Band Frequency Local Time Local Day Notes Seasonal Time Shift? Last Update
Alaska Morning Net VHF (IRLP 9109 or Echolink *ALASKA*) AM 10:00 Daily 1300 ET✓ 20230402


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California Rescue Communications Net HF 7.250 LSB AM 08:30 Mon-Fri Emergency preparedness net by WB7NOA keeps local time✓ 20230403
Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Net HF 14.325 LSB AM 08:30 Mo/We/Fr https://s3.amazonaws.com/usc-cache.salvationarmy.org/5a1860c9-f741-45bb-92c4-7618668e56b3_HF-radio-nets-info.pdf https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/usc/satern-program/ keeps local time✓ 20230403
The Wrong Button Club (BC) HF 3.744 LSB AM 09:00 Daily Social net with Gerry VE7BGP as net control keeps local time✓ 20230403
High Noon Net (Colorado) HF 7.240 LSB AM 11:00 Daily Roll call by roster http://www.nmia.com/~bsavage/hnn/hnn.html 1200 MT✓ 20230402
Beehive Utah Net HF 7.272 LSB AM 11:30 Daily Roll call by roster https://beehiveutahnet.com/ 1230 MT✓ 20230402
Jefferson Noon Net (Western US) HF 7.204 LSB Noon 12:00 Daily Early checkins from 11:30. Roll call at Noon, followed by roundtable (alt freq 7.214 if qrm) keeps local time✓ 20230402
Daytime Region 7 Traffic Net (DRN7) HF 3.925 LSB PM 03:00 Daily Early checkins until 03:15. Preamble at 03:15. Alternate 7.235. https://drn7.net/ keeps local time✓ 20221108
Moonlighters "Rag Chew" Net HF 7.279 LSB PM 04:00 Mon-Sat Social net http://moonlightersnet.com/ 1800 CT✓ 20230401
Dipsea Net (Oregon) HF 3.940 LSB PM 05:00 Mon-Sat Social net https://www.dipseanet.com There is also a morning net at 8 AM PT 0000 UTC✓ 20230331
Beaver State Net (Oregon) HF 3.920 LSB PM 05:30 Daily Roll call by Oregon county http://k6ugs.com/BSN.htm keeps local time✓ 20230331
Washington Amateur Radio Traffic System Net HF 3.975 LSB PM 05:30 Daily Roll call by city for roster members http://www.wartsnet.net/ keeps local time✓ 20230331
Wyoming Cowboy Net HF 3.9235 LSB PM 05:45 Mon-Fri Roll call by city for roster members https://wyomingcowboynet.com/ 1845 MT✓ 20230331
Oregon Emergency Net HF 3.980 LSB PM 06:00 Daily Early checkins prior to preamble. Preamble at 6:30, then roll call by city. keeps local time✓ 20230331
Tailgaters Net HF 3.916 LSB PM 06:30 Sun-Fri Social net (with trivia at 7 PM) http://www.tailgatersnet.com/the-tailgaters-net.html keeps local time✓ 20230331
FARM (Friendly Amateur Radio Mission Net) (Idaho and surrounding states) HF 3.937 LSB PM 07:00 Daily Roll call by member callsign and city, ordered by roster number. see: http://www.farmnet3937kc.net/ 0200 UTC✓ 20230331
Golden Bear Net (California) HF 3.975 LSB PM 07:00 Daily Roll call followed by visitors http://goldenbearnet.org/ keeps local time✓ 20230331
Northwest Country Cousins Net HF 3.968 LSB PM 07:00 Daily Social net http://www.nw7cc.info keeps local time✓ 20230331
Western Public Service System (California) HF 3.952 LSB PM 07:30 Daily Early checkins from 6:00 PM. Roll call at 07:30 PM https://3952khz.net/ keeps local time✓ 20230331
Freewheelers Net HF 3.916 LSB PM 08:00 Sun-Fri Social net http://www.tailgatersnet.com/the-freewheelers-net.html keeps local time✓ 20230331
Western Country Cousins Net HF 3.970 LSB PM 09:00 Daily Social net https://w6ccn.us keeps local time✓ 20230331
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OMISS Net (OM International Sideband Society) HF Various Various Daily WAS (Worked All States) and other awards net. See https://www.omiss.net/ for times and frequencies (1930,3825,7185,14290,18158,21395,24980,28665, all are +/- 7 kHz) ---- ----
3905 Century Club Net HF Various Various Daily WAS (Worked All States) and other awards net. See https://www.3905ccn.org/ for times and frequencies (1950,3902,7198,7267.5,14325) ---- ----


Site and System Block Diagrams

Club member operated APRS

  • VE7RJP-1 Revelstoke digipeater Sponsor VE7EQN
  • VE7OJP-1 Osoyoos digipeater Sponsor VE7EQN


(ATV) Amateur Television Repeater System information

  • VE7KTV Kelowna ATV 439.25 MHz TX / 2.410 GHz RX & 1.289 GHz (VE7VTV-Vernon) RX Sponsor VA7UN
  • VE7VTV Vernon ATV 1.289 GHz FM ATV TX / 1.246 GHz RX & 439.25 MHz (VE7KTV-Kelowna) RX Sponsor VA7VW


Packet Radio and Winlink information

Useful configuration documentation for the BPQ32 BBS

Problems sending email to a winlink address? How to Send Email to a Winlink Address

Digital Traffic Network (DTN) Pages

Winlink Live System Information and Maps

BPQ Live Network Map

BPQ32 Documentations and Software by G8BPQ

Winlink Documentation and Software

Packet-Radio.net Resource Page

Amateur Satellite and Space Communications

AMSAT

Amsat Twitter

AMSAT Wiki

AMSAT UK

AMSAT Germany

AMSAT-DL P3E

Es’hail-2 Qatar/AMSAT-DL Geostationary Satellite

AMSAT India

Canadian Amateur Satellite CanX-1 CanX-2

UVIC ECOsat

ECOsat Canadian Amateur Satellite


Gunter's Space Page

DD1US Satellite Page

KA7FVV Satelite Page


Real time Satelite Tracking


ISS Fan Club

Amateur Radio on the International Space Station

Explanation of ARISS


Ham Radio on the ISS

Ham Radio contact with ISS


Live Streaming VA7UN Satellite Gateway Ground Station

VE3VRW Demo of Satellite Gateway on Toronto Repeater Network

C4FM/DMR/P-25/D-Star MMDVM/Digital Voice - information

Brandmeister MMDVM Wiki

Multi Mode Digital MMDVM Demo

TYT MD-2017 Dual Band DMR HT

DMR QSO

Fusion C4FM QSO

System Fusion C4FM info

P25 vs FM 900 MHz

FM vs C4FM

FM vs C4FM marginal path

Radiodiddy GD-77 Dual Band DMR Radio

How DMR works

Android DMR Smart Phone Outphone Rangerphone S15

RangeFinder M1

Sure DMR Smart Phone S8


SDR and WEB-SDR

(UVIC) University of Victoria Web-SDR

University of Twente - The Netherlands

Live Map of SDR Receivers


HF Radio Propagation

SolarHam - Radio propagation forecasts and solar activity reports


Misc technical information

BC Frequency Coordination Council

Saskatchewan Amateur Radio League (Repeaters and Nets)

Maritimes (MARCAN) Frequency Coordination

Western New York Southern Ontario Repeater Council (covers SW Ontario)

Saint Lawrence Valley Repeater Council (covers East and North Ontario)

Western Washington Amateur Relay Association

Inland Amateur Coordination Council (Eastern Washington)

Interesting Amateur Radio Links:

International Space Station

How you can Talk to a Astronaut from Home - All about Ham Radio


People you may have heard of

Famous Ham's

More Famous Ham's

Sam from Space


The Story of Sergei Krikalev U5MIR

Sergio And Sergei - a 2017 fictional movie based on actual events (IMDB summary)

In 1991, the USSR is falling apart and Cuba enters its hardest economic crisis. Sergio, a professor of Marxism who can't provide for his family, and Sergei, a Soviet cosmonaut stranded in the Mir space station, share a common passion: amateur radio. Through this hobby, both men will be able to help each other in facing the dramatic changes of their countries.

Although the movie is fictional, it is based on a real story, where the real Sergei Krikalev depended upon Margaret Iaquinto, in Ballat, Victoria, Australia for over a year to get timely updates from home during the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Margaret Iaquinto VK3CFI, Musa Manarov U2MIR and Sergei Krikalev U5MIR - the real story (Verbatim on ABC Radio Australia)

Another interview with VK3CFI on the same topic (Cosmic Frequency on Paper Radio)

Margaret Iaquinto VK3CFI Biography

Sergei Krikalev U5MIR Birography


Province Wide linked repeater systems in Canada

New Brunswick International Repeater Group

Nova Scotia and PEI Maritime Amateur Voice Communications System (MAVCOM)

Provincial Repeater Maps and Directories

Maritime Provinces Repeater Map

Newfoundland and Labrador Repeater Directory


Amateur Radio and Public Service

A few miscellaneous links of interest.

Mid Island Radio Association (Vancouver Island) - Introduction to Emergency Communications

http://midislandamateurradioassociation.ca/emergency-communication/

ARRL (US) - Amateur Radio Emergency Communications First Level Training (US focus)

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Instructor%20resources/EmComm/Emcomm%20I%20-%20%20rev%203%201.pdf


Documents for Club Resources:

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